Jul 8, 2014

Answers to paint questions

Hello people.  Rather than reply to every email I thought I would post what I learned about painting cabinets previously coated with varnish or oil based coating.  First I will list the products you asked about.  Then I will bitch.

There are a lot of options for painting over oil base paint or varnish.
1. You can go with Benjamin Moore’s oil base Impervo (best self leveling on the market) over what you have with just a light scuffing.  If you’re going real light though, the oil eventually yellows. 
2. You can use Moore’s Advance which is water borne oil paint.  Tough as oil, easy as latex, great self leveling. Goes right over oil, no primer needed.  I found it too thin.
3. For light colors only, you could use latex Cabinet Coat which contains Stix and needs no priming over oil.  Not tacky or sticky and made for cabinets.
4. You can use Stix, tinted a little, and prime the cabinets with no sanding, followed with your latex choice.  I sanded because I wanted the wood showing.  
5. Benjamin Moore claims you can use their new latex Aura over oil if you lightly sand, no primer, or use a primer if you’d prefer.  There is also a deglosser that softens oil and you can paint over it. 

And yes the latex is tacky which I did not expect, but it's highly rated for durability.  The furniture pieces I used to make years ago NEVER dried tacky, but with all the regulations and changes to formulas with VOCs, it is now.  It's not like flypaper, but if something is set on it for any period of time, you will hear a snap when lifting it off the paint. The sticky snap.
 
Thinking that a clear coat would solve this, I emailed Rustoleum to make sure their water based polyurethane could be used over newly painted cabinets.  After a week, the reply came back that it could.  Good.  Love the product and the ultra smooth feel,  it's a clear coat armor for scrubbing, and provides a hard finish over the slightly tacky latex.   
 Yesterday - a week later -  I received another email from Rustoleum.  Seems the first responder didn't tell me everything I needed to know. First, you need to wait a week before applying over fresh paint.  Mine was next day.  Second, it makes it yellow/amber even though it is water based.  Great.  And it did.  The color has changed to a typical yellow based tan instead of the grayish putty that I worked so hard to formulate.  These photos look more like what was intended, and not as yellow as they are in person.  Too bad the first reply didn't mention this.
Now what?  Do the rest the same and have what I didn't want?  Repaint the polyurethaned ones and not have a protective clear coat?  Enter the dead paint can room and search for Aura in the darker shade I didn't want?  I talked to the BM guy this morning and he said the (latex) Aura would not remain tacky as do most latex and to expect 30 days for it to harden fully.  Forums have it 50/50 on the finish and my sample board is very smooth.  After setting a book on it overnight, this morning it snapped.  But has it cured long enough?  If this project was a sampler, it would have been burned long ago.  The cabinets are vertical surface and nothing will be set on them, the insides are not painted.  So it shouldn't be a problem and I may just leave it as paint with no sealer and hope tomato sauce comes off easily.  But if you are painting shelves with latex, count on sealing them with some sort of clear coat unless you like that snapping sound.
 
Painting my dark oak cabinets years ago was the best thing I ever did in the house.  It makes a huge difference and well worth the effort.  All I did was lightly hand sand and paint oil based Impervo over, they have held up great.  Caromal and Sloan's chalk paint will stick to anything, but must be waxed or sealed for cabinets.  Should I just choose a darker color and get the oil?  Choose a lighter color and get the Cabinet Coat?  Leave it alone and see how they hold up?  Paste car wax?  I will need a bag of Dove to contemplate.  Am I over thinking this?  Of course I am.  But I want to make sure the outcome will be good for a well used kitchen with a careless cook who uses a lot of spaghetti sauce, and never done again.
I hide the Dove in the basement and even though spiders scare me, if I encounter one, God help him.
 
 
 
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13 comments:

diamondc said...

Oh my, as soon as I can get off work (I am working at home this week) I am going to go get a bag of Dove chocolates, only because I feel your pain, then a strong matgarita will finish off the day, wow, you are being tested, what a bunch of hooey I feel so sorry for all that you are going through, I hope this all has a silver lining for you.

Blessings

Catherine

krayolakris said...

A friend of mine is using a wax finish from the company that makes the milk paint she's using to give an old, weathered look to some cabinets. The was is applied with a big fat brush...might be an option for a finishing agent.

cucki said...

I am sending you big beary hugs my dear xxx

Robin said...

Oh my! You have had problem after problem with cabinet remodel. I say stomp on the spiders, grab the bag of Dove and find your state of bliss.

Robin in Virginia

Anonymous said...

Oh my -- my head is spinning! I too feel your pain. I'm sure though you'll have a fantastic solution soon. I'm staying tuned to hear it and see the beautiful outcome!

Maggee said...

So you are saying if this was a sampler, you would have done a 'Shirlee'?? You crack me up! But at least you are still sane! I might have been a non-stop complainer! (which is a nice way of saying it!!) I vote go get that Dove chocolate--right now! Hugs!

Pam in IL said...

I'd find a different place to hide the Dove chocolates, but of course, I always eat them right away so I never have the chance to hide them.

Sorry that the cabinet remodel is still a pain in the behind.

Veronica Longobardi said...

Hi , I painted my bathroom vanity about 10 yrs ago an ivory pure acrylic paint. Then used min wax water based poly over it. Absolutely no yellowing and has held up I beautifully I got a satin finish. Not sure if they make a flat but might be worth a sample try to see if you like it. It's extremely durable and non yellowing. I've used it over latex on my kitchen chairs also. Maybe see if you like that product. Good luck , I'd go with the color I love. It's so much work. You want to love it !!

Veronica Longobardi said...

Ps also used this product over stain on my kitchen cabinets. And it worked on that too

Veronica Longobardi said...

Just look it up online. It's called polycrylic

Mary A said...

After reading your post I have to ask, "Are you only going with one bag of Dove??" I say go with 2 bags and then you'll be in a much better position to make a decision....

kelley said...

Thanks for sharing all this...painting my cabinets is on the short list here...go for the chocolate...spiders look out!

Jeannine520 said...

Thank you so much Marly, that's very helpful. It seems there's not really an easy answer even though I keep hoping for one. Before I start in with the kitchen cabinets I'll work on a bathroom and the trim in my entry hall and hopefully work out some of the bugs. I've been putting this off for so long, just dreading it! I really want to go with latex just because it's easiest for me to deal with and I've got two babies in the house, but....the thought of that sticky snap, I hate that snap. My cabinets in the kitchen and all the doors are very yellowed right now and I don't want that to happen again. I'm so tempted to try the Aura in the bathroom and let it cure for a month and see what happens. As far as the bookcases, they'll be a light grey beige off white so I can't clear coat in something that will yellow. I think I'll save those until last.

I don't think you should compromise on your color. I would repaint over the yellow clear coat and let it cure for a good while and see what happens. If it hardens enough start testing it out with stains and if it's unacceptable use a wax finish. Me being a nut about color, I really don't think you should even consider going for anything except exactly what you want. An off paint color in my house frustrates me hugely and probable you too. Stick to your guns.

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